[opensource] [Fwd: Re: ntSig Event Tonight]

Jim Dinan dinan at cse.ohio-state.edu
Thu Oct 27 16:32:17 EDT 2005

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: ntSig Event Tonight
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:22:06 -0400
From: Alex Pantaleev <pantalee at cse.ohio-state.edu>
To: Jim Dinan <dinan at cse.ohio-state.edu>
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Jim Dinan wrote:

> By all means, let's start a flamewar!  :)  And, I don't disagree with 
> you, but ...
> There is a fine line to be walked between being pro- Open Source and 
> anti- Microsoft.  There was a time when open source was all about GNU 
> and the foaming-at-the-mouth purists - and they're still out there 
> fighting the good fight, but the tone of the movement has shifted from 
> breaking down barriers to community building.  Open source now 
> coexists across a wide array of heterogeneous platforms and a wide 
> variety of computing lifestyles.

Alex Pantaleev wrote:

Because of all these reasons I said nothing about your intention to
discuss Vista's command shell. I am actually using Windows on my laptop
temporarily right now, and I don't think I count for a foaming purist.
However, actually making an ad for the Microsoft *recruiters* to the
open-source club goes way past good neighbor feelings. It is one thing
to build a community; it is a completely different thing to thrust that
community into the hands of Microsoft.
Too many good people have fallen victim to the Biblical "turn the other
cheek" when Microsoft is in the picture. Too many good people have
become friends with somebody Microsoft who is genuinely interested in
their thing, just to find themselves a part of the "embrace and extend"
policy (known by the more descriptive name of "squash you, I'm bigger").
Bottom line: I do not mind talking about Windows or Microsoft. I do
mind, however, communicating with anybody Microsoft, *especially* a
recruiter. You don't educate Microsoft people about Microsoft or open
source, and you don't build a community with them. You just fall victim
to them.

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